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Joel W. Hay, PhD's avatar

This is a key issue; what is virology? I used to accept it hook line and sinker (except the polio crap) but given that Fauci lies about absolutely everything, I'm starting to think that viruses may not exist. At some level it may be a semantics question, since no one claims that viruses are "alive." Self-replicating proteins exist that are not viruses. Amino acids are found in outer space. https://english.kyodonews.net/news/2022/06/9a7dbced6c3a-amino-acids-found-in-asteroid-samples-collected-by-hayabusa2-probe.html

The key question is whether protein fragments "invade" our cells, replicate by the trillions and cause diseases like AIDS, measles, mumps, chicken pox, HPV, herpes, common colds, flus, and of course Covid. Everything that mainstream "virologists" have said about these questions is total garbage. The vilification of Wakefield and the history of vaccines in "Turtles all the Way Down" proves that something is very rotten at the heart of virology. I have yet to see anything scientifically valid about the infectivity, transmissibility, lethality, asymptomatic signs or even the symptoms of Covid anywhere after 4 years of lockdowns and mandatory vaxxxes. Who the hell knows what's in the vaxxx bioweapons? No one is allowed to test them rigorously except the psy-ops goons at NIH, CDC, DARPA and CIA. Ana Mihalcea keeps finding scarier and scarier things in vaxxxed and unvaxxxed blood, but none of them are viruses. As a health economist I have known virologists and infectious disease specialists at the CDC, UCLA, USC, UCSD, Hopkins, Stanford, NIH and elsewhere for decades. Some of them were even my friends. Virologists won't engage in honest debate even for millions of dollars as billionaire Steve Kirsch has discovered many times. EVERY SINGLE ONE of them clammed up and ceased all contacts with me by about March 2020 (not for lack of me trying to talk to them and explain how devastating the lockdown and mask policies were going to be--all my pessimistic predictions were vindicated). Not even religious zealots I know have ever been so hostile and unwilling to engage. How do you "trust the science" when the scientists/used car salesmen selling the science won't engage with anyone spouting "disinformation" and have every contrary view expunged from the media as well as the scientific and mainstream literature? It all makes sense when you "follow the money" which is what we economists are trained to do. I don't see how it makes any sense from any other perspective.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Thank you, as always, for a very elucidating addition to the discussion.

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mark n.'s avatar

Haiti

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Can you think of any reason why a country would tolerate such a situation?

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mark n.'s avatar

"Tolerate" implies they're capable of something else.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Precisely. That's the question nobody wants to ask. PS: did you find the 2003 piece on my web site, or was it a knowing guess?

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mark n.'s avatar

I googled you, 2003, trip. You have a timeline up somewhere that notes this trip.

A google search for Haiti in your website does not turn up any article specifically on Haiti.

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mark n.'s avatar

I'd be interested in one, though.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Look on grahamseibert dot com under Writing -Travels- Haiti 2003 and find a link in the middle of the page to a separate monograph.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

News keeps coming in. The Daily Expose, always interesting, usually right but bears double checking, reports today that RSV was introduced into human populations by genetic material from monkeys included in the polio vaccines starting in the 1950s.

https://expose-news.com/2024/01/24/polio-vaccines-introduced-rsv-into-populations/

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Joel W. Hay, PhD's avatar

I've published peer-reviewed scientific articles on RSV for decades. 15 years ago it was only a problem for high risk/low birthweight premature infants. Now that 80% of the population has been vaxxxed for Covid (along with 70+ other shots) it's become a mainstream health concern with annual shots for everyone. That's called progress! If your name is Pfauci or ModRNA!

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Not surprised. And very glad to have you, as somebody who knows, weigh in.

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Philosopher Newport's avatar

"usually right but bears double checking" --

No virus has ever been scientifically proven to exist.

No bacterium has ever been scientifically proven to cause any contagious illness, diseases, or cancer.

Healthcare was declared by Johns Hopkins U in 2016 to be the #3 leading cause of death and it wasn't even in the Top 10 back in 1900.

Allopathic healthcare is supposedly science-based...and yet it is the 3rd leading cause of death, and so what does this say about the "science"? How can you blindly trust ANYTHING, absolutely ANYTHING the Officials have said or are saying related to health, illness, and medicines?

The Daily Expose is obviously some sort of controlled opposition, or just outright "owned". Or perhaps nothing more than fearmongering clickbait merchants with a populist, anti-globalist slant.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Regarding bacteria examine a nasty one "Clostridium difficile" or C Diff. Many of us are unwitting hosts of this pesky fellow where our good gut microbes keep it in check. Should it escape it's protective spoor, in a suitable environment, it releases toxins that can cause severe diarrhea which can debilitate a person into death. It can be easily transferred in unclean situations and the spoors are quite hard to kill and remove. Found in most hospitals as a result of antibiotics killing good bacteria in weakened patients, it's a common hazard.

The protein structures of a thing call "virus" have been captured and imaged. It is not living but in a suitable environment can be induced to replicate - growth media. It's effects on humans were illustrated in the human challenge trials from the UK https://doi.org/10.1038/s41591-022-01780-9 where more than half the volunteers became ill with symptoms called Covid-19 as a result of placing a substance, SARs-COV-2, in their noses. PCR and blood samples verified an infection existed and antibodies produced. OTOH, some were never infected, displayed no symptoms nor had any antibodies detected implying no viral replication perhaps from mucosal immunity.

I am no virologist but an optical physicist working mostly in electromagnetics. But I can read and understand much of that reading. I do see and understand that things at nano or atomic scale often have properties that continue to stun our knowledge. Hard for me to understand why the need to claim something doesn't exist.

Controlled opposition in my mind is a trigger phrase now, like debunked or unproved, etc. Seems to be a way to attack other's opinions. I quite agree with Graham's assessment, definitely lost trust in those I pay to advise us and think rampant corruption in our US government needs to be addressed. I am comforted that truth eventually arrives, but I may not live to see it all play out.

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Masaki Fujii's avatar

I agree with you.

I think the weakness of biology and medicine is that there are no deducible laws or theorems. In medicine, there is no law that shows a correlation coefficient of 90%, let alone 99.999999% like in physics.On the contrary, there is a lot of room for development in biology and medicine.

The human body, living organisms, and their interrelationships are extremely complex, and I believe that a mathematical theory of complex systems is essential to understanding them deductively, but this theory is still at a pre-fetal stage.

In 1932, Mr. Ivanovsky discovered what appeared to be a tobacco virus, which was smaller than bacteria.

In 1935, American researcher Wendell Stanley succeeded in crystallizing this virus and found that it remained active and infectious even after crystallization.

In 1938, Helmut Ruska and his colleagues visualized tobacco mosaic virus using an electron microscope.

Although it is not possible to see the active state with an electron microscope due to its function, But I think it is reasonable at this point because combining RNA and DNA theory can explain to some extent that it exists and is contagious. If we could observe how electrons move around, and if we could observe their active states inside the human body, things would become clearer, but this may not be possible even 1,000 years from now.

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Philosopher Newport's avatar

No bacterium has ever been scientifically proven to cause any contagious illness, diseases, or cancer.

There may be "nasty" bacteria but they don't act like predators or parasites nor cause any contagious illnesses. They are not mistakes. They are not enemies. They have a crucial job to do.

Did you read the paper you cited? There is nothing natural about it. If you're going to conduct a human transmissibility study you have to attempt to mimic so-called natural transmission. This would simply be exposing healthy volunteers to sick people in the "natural" way that they hypothetically become infected. Your study uses intranasal spraying. And not only that but >> "As per protocol, these first ten challenged participants were assigned to receive pre-emptive remdesivir (100 mg intravenously for 5 days)"

Bottom line: There was nothing natural about your study. It was a complicated symphony of pseudoscience. Try to be discerning. Try to approach the Establishment Narratives with doubt & scrutiny. Learn how to read a virus paper from a critical point of view. Learn how to honor common sense & logic & reason & Occam's Razor.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Yes, I agree that the methodologies used in the study didn't make sense.

Moral of the story for me: be conservative. Be a skeptic. Avoid anything that is called a vaccine.

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