Feb 24, 2023·edited Feb 24, 2023Liked by Graham Seibert
From my rather brief post containing this video - good catch! - "Both the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist “Woke” and Putin and his allies stand in diametric opposition to the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, they are for the centralized aristocratic autocracy that Hamilton, Jay, and the Federalists strove for, and that the Administrative State and various National Security States continue to force upon people who desire, above all, to be free. The “woke” are Punch, and Putin and his allies are Judy - puppets on two hands controlled by the same body and mind. Both must be stringently opposed, and the Declaration - and its guiding principles - and the Bill of Rights, must be upheld and conserved." https://streamfortyseven.substack.com/p/at-long-last-four-years-after-i-started
Glenn Beck finally figured it out, from the comments, about 90% of his followers have not... Maybe Tucker Carlson and Vladimir Solovyov ought to get together, they'd probably be fast friends...
I do not know a single liberal/Democrat that I know or I read that refers to themselves as woke. However, I constantly see references to "woke" by conservative media. No liberal can tell you what woke means. Conservatives have definitions all over the place. Take Sara Huckabee Sanders State of Union rebuttal, any Tucker Carlson broadcast, or DeSantis recent speech in NYC. They all talk about "woke". MTG uses the term all the time.
Here's a definition - and a magazine link - that show up today. It pleases me greatly that I don't have to deal with this crap in my daily life. Wokeism to me is like dog poop. I can step around it.
EDITOR’S NOTE: Long the world’s most Christian nation, America today is being taken over by a new “official” national religion, one being imposed on the entire populace by every major societal institution, from government, media and big tech, to academia, entertainment and business.
This new state religion is Wokeism. “Going woke” conjures up visions of someone claiming to be acutely sensitive (“awake”) to “systemic social and political injustice.” And not just alleged bigotry against blacks, but toward every other “minority” as well, from LGBT folk – especially everything transgender and “nonbinary” – to “undocumented immigrants.” All of them, being VICTIMS, intrinsically more virtuous than the shameful oppressor class: primarily heterosexual white males.
This new “woke” consciousness has turned America upside-down – from the nationwide Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots in 2020, to tearing down of historic monuments, to demanding multi-million-dollar reparation payments for blacks, to appointing transgenders as top government officials, to rampant reverse discrimination in every area of life, to the U.S. military imposing mandatory “diversity training” and transgender pronoun use on all personnel, causing recruitment to disastrously plummet.
Yet there is hope. Being “saved” – which in Wokeism is called being “woke” – is largely a matter of worshipping victimhood by becoming an “ally” and “defender” of all the many victim classes, and a determined enemy of the straight white male oppressor class. Thus, “joining the righteous” as an ally – even if one is cursed to be a straight white male – opens the door mercifully for salvation, even to the most wretched.
That is the power of the religion of Wokeism. And it’s explored as never before in the February 2023 issue of WND’s critically acclaimed monthly Whistleblower magazine. If you’ve ever wondered, for example, exactly how the most radical elements in American society are successfully pressuring the biggest corporations into adopting the most outrageous and immoral policies imaginable, even when doing so permanently damages and devalues the company, the stunning answers are in this issue of Whistleblower, titled “WOKEISM: AMERICA’S OFFICIAL STATE RELIGION.”
Woke is a difficult term, isn't it? I see it being used by those who find slights over any topic, instantly offended, awakened to some injustice, in their minds. Those who adopt this new religion are not nominal leftists, they are ultimate victims of life itself. Anyone who has offended their delicate sensibilities must then be eliminated by any means from polite, awakened society. In the end of course one must be more offended than another leading, I suppose, to only the last woke-person standing. All of us not awakened adequately must then be any variety of names - racist, etc.
Drink! You used New World Order again. But you used NWO and woke in the same sentence. Can you please explain your definition of "woke", how it might compare to how others use it and can you differentiate it from the NWO? As a liberal, I really need to understand what your terms actually mean to you.
New World Order is a coinage of the Bush era (Bush one, I think). Woke is a coinage of the contemporary left. The inventors seem to think they know what they mean. I just guess. In practical terms it means they disagree with me on just about ever issue except Ukraine. I thank them for that.
Another viewpoint: "Identity politics is part of the society we want to destroy.
Identity politics is not liberatory, but reformist. It is nothing but a breeding ground for aspiring middle class identity politicians. Their long-term vision is the full incorporation of traditionally oppressed groups into the hierarchical, competitive social system that is capitalism, rather than the destruction of that system. The end result is Rainbow Capitalism – a more efficient & sophisticated form of social control where everyone gets a chance to play a part! Confined to the ‘safe space’ of people like them, identity politicians become increasingly detached from the real world.
A good example is ‘queer theory’ and how it has sold out to corporate masters. The concept of queer was not long ago something subversive, suggesting indefinable sexuality, a desire to escape society’s attempts to define and study and diagnose everything, from our mental health to our sexuality. However, with little in the way of class critique, the concept was readily appropriated by identity politicians and academics to create yet another exclusive label for a cool clique that is, ironically, anything but liberatory. Increasingly, queer is a nice badge adopted by some to pretend they too are oppressed, and avoid being called out on their shit, bourgeois politics.
We don’t want hear about the next DIY event, queer night or squatter fest that excludes all but those who have the right language, dress code, or social circles.. Come back when you have something genuinely meaningful, subversive and dangerous to the status quo.
Identity politics is narrow-minded, exclusive and divisive. At a time when we need to be reaching outside of our own small circles more than ever, identity politics is all about looking inwards. That’s probably no coincidence. While claiming to be about inclusivity, it is highly exclusionary, dividing the world into two broad groupings: the Unquestionably Oppressed and the Innately Privileged. There are few grey areas allowed in practice and conflict is continually stoked between these two groups." https://wokeanarchists.wordpress.com/2018/11/25/against-anarcho-liberalism-and-the-curse-of-identity-politics/
Definition of wokeness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY85CvV39eg at 2min 21sec. In short, authoritarian fascism. The Nazis were woke, they devoted lots and lots of time and money to racial awareness.
Feb 27, 2023·edited Feb 27, 2023Liked by Graham Seibert
"I have no idea who this fellow is..." etc. The 25 Rules are great, I've been citing them since USEnet days:
"1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.
...
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. ..." https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/
I have no idea who this fellow is or why I should care about his definition, but he is all over the place. Your definition, authoritarian fascism. seems to apply far more to the current crop of conservatives than it does to Democrats. Which party is trying to control women's bodies, ban books they don't like (many conservative states), shut down professors in universities who don't teach the government line (FL) as just a few examples? Trump exemplified authoritarian fascism more than any other President we have had. Yours is a perfect example of reflection - trying to impose the character of conservatives on the opposing party. Graham's definition was a lot simpler. Anybody who doesn't agree with his policies.
Beyond belief. Not sure why you bother. "control women's bodies" - abortion - nobody is doing that. Most want some consideration for a potential human along with the other person associated with that human - took two to create it. Standard untrue inflammatory talking point. Some originality of thought might help. Sorry I engaged.
So all those states either banning or restricting abortions are simply a figment of my imagination? And in some ways you are correct. Whatever considerations should be made should be among three people - the two involved in the creation of an embryo/fetus and their doctor.
From my rather brief post containing this video - good catch! - "Both the Marxist-Leninist-Maoist “Woke” and Putin and his allies stand in diametric opposition to the principles laid out in the Declaration of Independence and the Bill of Rights, they are for the centralized aristocratic autocracy that Hamilton, Jay, and the Federalists strove for, and that the Administrative State and various National Security States continue to force upon people who desire, above all, to be free. The “woke” are Punch, and Putin and his allies are Judy - puppets on two hands controlled by the same body and mind. Both must be stringently opposed, and the Declaration - and its guiding principles - and the Bill of Rights, must be upheld and conserved." https://streamfortyseven.substack.com/p/at-long-last-four-years-after-i-started
Glenn Beck finally figured it out, from the comments, about 90% of his followers have not... Maybe Tucker Carlson and Vladimir Solovyov ought to get together, they'd probably be fast friends...
I do not know a single liberal/Democrat that I know or I read that refers to themselves as woke. However, I constantly see references to "woke" by conservative media. No liberal can tell you what woke means. Conservatives have definitions all over the place. Take Sara Huckabee Sanders State of Union rebuttal, any Tucker Carlson broadcast, or DeSantis recent speech in NYC. They all talk about "woke". MTG uses the term all the time.
Here's a definition - and a magazine link - that show up today. It pleases me greatly that I don't have to deal with this crap in my daily life. Wokeism to me is like dog poop. I can step around it.
EDITOR’S NOTE: Long the world’s most Christian nation, America today is being taken over by a new “official” national religion, one being imposed on the entire populace by every major societal institution, from government, media and big tech, to academia, entertainment and business.
This new state religion is Wokeism. “Going woke” conjures up visions of someone claiming to be acutely sensitive (“awake”) to “systemic social and political injustice.” And not just alleged bigotry against blacks, but toward every other “minority” as well, from LGBT folk – especially everything transgender and “nonbinary” – to “undocumented immigrants.” All of them, being VICTIMS, intrinsically more virtuous than the shameful oppressor class: primarily heterosexual white males.
This new “woke” consciousness has turned America upside-down – from the nationwide Antifa and Black Lives Matter riots in 2020, to tearing down of historic monuments, to demanding multi-million-dollar reparation payments for blacks, to appointing transgenders as top government officials, to rampant reverse discrimination in every area of life, to the U.S. military imposing mandatory “diversity training” and transgender pronoun use on all personnel, causing recruitment to disastrously plummet.
Yet there is hope. Being “saved” – which in Wokeism is called being “woke” – is largely a matter of worshipping victimhood by becoming an “ally” and “defender” of all the many victim classes, and a determined enemy of the straight white male oppressor class. Thus, “joining the righteous” as an ally – even if one is cursed to be a straight white male – opens the door mercifully for salvation, even to the most wretched.
That is the power of the religion of Wokeism. And it’s explored as never before in the February 2023 issue of WND’s critically acclaimed monthly Whistleblower magazine. If you’ve ever wondered, for example, exactly how the most radical elements in American society are successfully pressuring the biggest corporations into adopting the most outrageous and immoral policies imaginable, even when doing so permanently damages and devalues the company, the stunning answers are in this issue of Whistleblower, titled “WOKEISM: AMERICA’S OFFICIAL STATE RELIGION.”
The reference? https://www.wndnewscenter.org/wokeism-americas-official-state-religion/
Just proves my point. A definition created by an extreme conservative source. As I said, it is not a term liberals use to define themselves.
There are a number of beliefs that appear to be held in common regarding
gender
sex
race
the deep state
central bank digital currencies
likelihood of financial collapse
climate change
trust in government
belief in the effectiveness of vaccines in general and Covid in particular
I need not itemize - you know what I'm talking about. This cluster of convictions defines "woke" to me.
Woke is a difficult term, isn't it? I see it being used by those who find slights over any topic, instantly offended, awakened to some injustice, in their minds. Those who adopt this new religion are not nominal leftists, they are ultimate victims of life itself. Anyone who has offended their delicate sensibilities must then be eliminated by any means from polite, awakened society. In the end of course one must be more offended than another leading, I suppose, to only the last woke-person standing. All of us not awakened adequately must then be any variety of names - racist, etc.
See https://www.newsweek.com/america-fast-becoming-woke-theocracy-opinion-1518938
Drink! You used New World Order again. But you used NWO and woke in the same sentence. Can you please explain your definition of "woke", how it might compare to how others use it and can you differentiate it from the NWO? As a liberal, I really need to understand what your terms actually mean to you.
New World Order is a coinage of the Bush era (Bush one, I think). Woke is a coinage of the contemporary left. The inventors seem to think they know what they mean. I just guess. In practical terms it means they disagree with me on just about ever issue except Ukraine. I thank them for that.
Another viewpoint: "Identity politics is part of the society we want to destroy.
Identity politics is not liberatory, but reformist. It is nothing but a breeding ground for aspiring middle class identity politicians. Their long-term vision is the full incorporation of traditionally oppressed groups into the hierarchical, competitive social system that is capitalism, rather than the destruction of that system. The end result is Rainbow Capitalism – a more efficient & sophisticated form of social control where everyone gets a chance to play a part! Confined to the ‘safe space’ of people like them, identity politicians become increasingly detached from the real world.
A good example is ‘queer theory’ and how it has sold out to corporate masters. The concept of queer was not long ago something subversive, suggesting indefinable sexuality, a desire to escape society’s attempts to define and study and diagnose everything, from our mental health to our sexuality. However, with little in the way of class critique, the concept was readily appropriated by identity politicians and academics to create yet another exclusive label for a cool clique that is, ironically, anything but liberatory. Increasingly, queer is a nice badge adopted by some to pretend they too are oppressed, and avoid being called out on their shit, bourgeois politics.
We don’t want hear about the next DIY event, queer night or squatter fest that excludes all but those who have the right language, dress code, or social circles.. Come back when you have something genuinely meaningful, subversive and dangerous to the status quo.
Identity politics is narrow-minded, exclusive and divisive. At a time when we need to be reaching outside of our own small circles more than ever, identity politics is all about looking inwards. That’s probably no coincidence. While claiming to be about inclusivity, it is highly exclusionary, dividing the world into two broad groupings: the Unquestionably Oppressed and the Innately Privileged. There are few grey areas allowed in practice and conflict is continually stoked between these two groups." https://wokeanarchists.wordpress.com/2018/11/25/against-anarcho-liberalism-and-the-curse-of-identity-politics/
Definition of wokeness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VY85CvV39eg at 2min 21sec. In short, authoritarian fascism. The Nazis were woke, they devoted lots and lots of time and money to racial awareness.
"I have no idea who this fellow is..." etc. The 25 Rules are great, I've been citing them since USEnet days:
"1. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil. Regardless of what you know, don’t discuss it — especially if you are a public figure, news anchor, etc. If it’s not reported, it didn’t happen, and you never have to deal with the issues.
2. Become incredulous and indignant. Avoid discussing key issues and instead focus on side issues which can be used show the topic as being critical of some otherwise sacrosanct group or theme. This is also known as the “How dare you!” gambit.
...
9. Play Dumb. No matter what evidence or logical argument is offered, avoid discussing issues with denial they have any credibility, make any sense, provide any proof, contain or make a point, have logic, or support a conclusion. Mix well for maximum effect. ..." https://vigilantcitizen.com/latestnews/the-25-rules-of-disinformation/
LOL.
I have no idea who this fellow is or why I should care about his definition, but he is all over the place. Your definition, authoritarian fascism. seems to apply far more to the current crop of conservatives than it does to Democrats. Which party is trying to control women's bodies, ban books they don't like (many conservative states), shut down professors in universities who don't teach the government line (FL) as just a few examples? Trump exemplified authoritarian fascism more than any other President we have had. Yours is a perfect example of reflection - trying to impose the character of conservatives on the opposing party. Graham's definition was a lot simpler. Anybody who doesn't agree with his policies.
Beyond belief. Not sure why you bother. "control women's bodies" - abortion - nobody is doing that. Most want some consideration for a potential human along with the other person associated with that human - took two to create it. Standard untrue inflammatory talking point. Some originality of thought might help. Sorry I engaged.
So all those states either banning or restricting abortions are simply a figment of my imagination? And in some ways you are correct. Whatever considerations should be made should be among three people - the two involved in the creation of an embryo/fetus and their doctor.