yep. sorry to be on the wrong side of the fence but what I see is the whole world ganging up on Russia and I don't like it.
I see my own government putting me behind a censorship and news blackout wall just as they did all through covid and I don't like it.
I see a total lack amongst what little news I manage to get of any apparent interest in promoting any kind of peace initiatives, keeping us updated on such or anything remotely like it: and i don't like it.
I see repeated unjustified vilifications and condemnations of Russia and Russian and a world-wide total omission of the facts of the provocation Russia has been subjected to decades: and I'm not impressed at all.
I see a total world wide push for more warfare to the extent where the world deliberately seeks to arm every single Ukrainian ( on 'their' side) thus making ununiformed combatants of them all liable to be shot as spies at any time and destined to be little more than cannon fodder in order to what? enable the USA etc. to test their weapons on someone else's territory and promote their avowed intention to simple weaken and reduce Russia as much as I can.
And more.
In summary much though I sympathise with every suffering Ukrainian on whichever side they may be I sympathise in the same way with every suffering Russian and I am not about to join you or anyone else in supporting this war on 'your' side or anyone else's.
What should be going on is a total global effort for peace.
Fair enough. Now why has Putin done this crime? War is always disgusting. Russia has no need nor purpose in Ukraine. The suffering throughout the world caused by this war lies entirely in Putin's hands and his peoples are marginally aware of the cause for their discomfort.
I don't know. He warned for a long time he was going to do it - or do something - if the West didn't back off and start to honour its word.
There's those that say he's simply a megalomaniac.
There's those that say the shale oil in the Donbas is what it is all about.
There's those that say he had to preempt the Ukrainians who were preparing an assault on the breakaway states in the Donbas.
Aren't there?
And more I don't know about?
Tell me. I would like to know.
I do know it takes two to Tango.
It simply is not right to say the fault is entirely Putin's.
When we get to talking 'fault' then the fault lies with all of us today.
Just as we all laid down and let them rip off our democratic rights and freedoms and imprison and enslave us all for Covid, a virtually mythical menace so we're not laying down and letting this war be stoked and fomented and promoted to the maximum and never a whisper never the smallest effort to find a peaceful way.
This issues in this war are not solely in the Ukraine nor in Russia, they are very much in the USA and the UK and the EU and in the homes and minds of all the foolish Westerners schooled in dumb sheepish behaviour this last two years.
I've been told the USA will not allow Zelenski to make peace and I believe it.
My sense of things is that the background battles in Donbas were going badly for Russia so a greater effort was necessary. The Donbas has good water access and has been a good manufacturing hub. I've not been there, don't know. Russia has long imagined Ukraine to be a vassal state but the locals don't wish that. After Crimea was annexed because of Ukraine military weakness, I think the Russian's thought they better act before Zelenskyy moved to take it back. Not winning in the Donbas seemed to be a trigger.
Regarding peace, I don't think the US is preventing that; many voices are calling for a settlement and in the beginning the US tried to slow roll support in hopes of a settlement. Zelenskyy has been encouraged by the response of Ukrainians to now demand complete Russian withdrawal, even from Crimea. He will likely agree to lease the port facilities as before. The Russians still think they can dominate. But sanctions ensure poor resupply and refurbish activities for damaged Russian weapons. That limits how long the Russians are able to continue. That latter point now seems to be the West's approach to end the conflict. Zelenskyy, as long as he gets supplies, will continue the fight. Getting longer range artillery for counter-battery fighting will force changes.
The West seems happy with this proxy fight with Ukrainians bearing the brunt. All are hoping this doesn't revert to WWIII. WWII was quite costly to the world because there was no early intervention.
Yes, that a sort of assessment of the military situation you've put forward there. I can't really comment, don't know enough.
But the overall thing that we were talking about - who's responsible - well I agree with your last para: " the west seems happy.." and that's precisely my point. The West is happy with this war. And I don't think that's good.
yep. sorry to be on the wrong side of the fence but what I see is the whole world ganging up on Russia and I don't like it.
I see my own government putting me behind a censorship and news blackout wall just as they did all through covid and I don't like it.
I see a total lack amongst what little news I manage to get of any apparent interest in promoting any kind of peace initiatives, keeping us updated on such or anything remotely like it: and i don't like it.
I see repeated unjustified vilifications and condemnations of Russia and Russian and a world-wide total omission of the facts of the provocation Russia has been subjected to decades: and I'm not impressed at all.
I see a total world wide push for more warfare to the extent where the world deliberately seeks to arm every single Ukrainian ( on 'their' side) thus making ununiformed combatants of them all liable to be shot as spies at any time and destined to be little more than cannon fodder in order to what? enable the USA etc. to test their weapons on someone else's territory and promote their avowed intention to simple weaken and reduce Russia as much as I can.
And more.
In summary much though I sympathise with every suffering Ukrainian on whichever side they may be I sympathise in the same way with every suffering Russian and I am not about to join you or anyone else in supporting this war on 'your' side or anyone else's.
What should be going on is a total global effort for peace.
This, to be frank, simply disgusts me.
Fair enough. Now why has Putin done this crime? War is always disgusting. Russia has no need nor purpose in Ukraine. The suffering throughout the world caused by this war lies entirely in Putin's hands and his peoples are marginally aware of the cause for their discomfort.
I don't know. He warned for a long time he was going to do it - or do something - if the West didn't back off and start to honour its word.
There's those that say he's simply a megalomaniac.
There's those that say the shale oil in the Donbas is what it is all about.
There's those that say he had to preempt the Ukrainians who were preparing an assault on the breakaway states in the Donbas.
Aren't there?
And more I don't know about?
Tell me. I would like to know.
I do know it takes two to Tango.
It simply is not right to say the fault is entirely Putin's.
When we get to talking 'fault' then the fault lies with all of us today.
Just as we all laid down and let them rip off our democratic rights and freedoms and imprison and enslave us all for Covid, a virtually mythical menace so we're not laying down and letting this war be stoked and fomented and promoted to the maximum and never a whisper never the smallest effort to find a peaceful way.
This issues in this war are not solely in the Ukraine nor in Russia, they are very much in the USA and the UK and the EU and in the homes and minds of all the foolish Westerners schooled in dumb sheepish behaviour this last two years.
I've been told the USA will not allow Zelenski to make peace and I believe it.
So there's your 'fault'
My sense of things is that the background battles in Donbas were going badly for Russia so a greater effort was necessary. The Donbas has good water access and has been a good manufacturing hub. I've not been there, don't know. Russia has long imagined Ukraine to be a vassal state but the locals don't wish that. After Crimea was annexed because of Ukraine military weakness, I think the Russian's thought they better act before Zelenskyy moved to take it back. Not winning in the Donbas seemed to be a trigger.
Regarding peace, I don't think the US is preventing that; many voices are calling for a settlement and in the beginning the US tried to slow roll support in hopes of a settlement. Zelenskyy has been encouraged by the response of Ukrainians to now demand complete Russian withdrawal, even from Crimea. He will likely agree to lease the port facilities as before. The Russians still think they can dominate. But sanctions ensure poor resupply and refurbish activities for damaged Russian weapons. That limits how long the Russians are able to continue. That latter point now seems to be the West's approach to end the conflict. Zelenskyy, as long as he gets supplies, will continue the fight. Getting longer range artillery for counter-battery fighting will force changes.
The West seems happy with this proxy fight with Ukrainians bearing the brunt. All are hoping this doesn't revert to WWIII. WWII was quite costly to the world because there was no early intervention.
Yes, that a sort of assessment of the military situation you've put forward there. I can't really comment, don't know enough.
But the overall thing that we were talking about - who's responsible - well I agree with your last para: " the west seems happy.." and that's precisely my point. The West is happy with this war. And I don't think that's good.
The only real good may come if Putin is replaced. That may open Russia and return a stable world.
I didn't realise Putin had a closed Russia. Is that right?