I am unable to wrench myself free from the multilevel marketing tar baby. It has an upside. I have been forced to learn more than I thought I wanted to know about vitamins, minerals and hormones sold in dietary supplements.
This is a field in which I had little interest or expertise prior to Covid. Since the wise men of the Covid era (i.e., not the government, not the pharmaceutical companies, not doctors and hospitals) were advocating vitamins, zinc and ivermectin as a prophylactic, I started taking them in early 2020. I have noticed that since then I have not gotten sick as much. Quite specifically, I used to get strep throat twice a year. So often that I kept a package of doxycycline in the medicine cabinet so I could head it off the moment it was clear that I had an infection. The most recent package has thankfully gotten quite dusty.
Oksana’s father, living with us, has a number of chronic conditions. I had advocated that he and Grandma take the prophylactic regime along with me. They gratefully accepted the pills but let them sit on the shelf.
Since Oksana fell in with this multilevel marketing organization she has been forcing vitamins on everybody. I don’t observe much change. Zoriana’s present cough is going away after two weeks, just about the usual run. Despite claims to the contrary, my stomach problem hasn’t gotten any better. I haven’t had stomach problems since I stopped drinking coffee and Coca-Cola about six months ago. Same with Eddie’s nervous stomach. He hasn’t had problems for a couple of months now, and in any case we know of no theoretical connection between vitamins and tummyaches. It is true that Grandpa’s diarrhea cleared up, but nobody has presented a theoretical link between taking vitamins and diarrhea suddenly going away.
At any rate, facing a thousand-dollar hit for supposedly magical medications, I felt compelled to do a little research on dietary supplements. Here is what I found. I am absolutely certain that many of you, perhaps most of you, have been more interested in the subject for longer than I. Please let me know in your comments.
Vitamins
Vitamins are simple organic chemicals. Specifically:
Vitamin C - C6H8O6
Vitamin A – C36H60O2
Vitamin D3 - C54H88O2
A chemical formula doesn’t fully describe an organic compound. There are isomers – alternative physical configurations of the same elements. Chemists use diagrams such as this one for vitamin D3 to show exactly how they are put together.
Alcohol and sugar, propane and butane are similar simple organic compounds. Although they could be made in the laboratory, the cheapest and easiest way to get them is from organic products, usually plants (fossilized, in the case of petroleum) rather than animals.
Since the chemicals are always the same, the major question in taking vitamins is whether the other stuff in the pills is good for you. The manufacturers all have the same incentive – to make them work. There aren’t any secret ingredients that help one work better than another.
Trace elements
The metals and trace elements that we need usually come in compounds. These include iron, magnesium, manganese, calcium, selenium, phosphorus, potassium among many others.
Our bodies deal with the different compounds somewhat differently. Chelates are handled somewhat different than sulfates. Once again, the chemistry is well known and no particular manufacturer has a patentable way of delivering them. It is a question of trade-offs. I am currently taking zinc picolinate. The previous bottle of zinc I took was zinc sulfate. Zinc glycinate is another alternative. I didn’t research the difference – I trust that if it mattered the manufacturers would choose one or the other. They are simple enough chemicals that manufacturing cost cannot be a big consideration. Their major costs are distribution, advertising, packaging and so on.
Hormones
Some supplements also include hormones such as melatonin. From the Internet:
Melatonin is a natural product found in plants and animals. It is primarily known in animals as a hormone released by the pineal gland in the brain at night, and has long been associated with control of the sleep–wake cycle.
Just as with vitamins, melatonin has an organic chemical formula, C13H16N2O2 which is usually presented with a diagram showing its physical structure.
Our bodies usually get all the vitamins that they need from the food that we eat. The same as animals in the forest, and all of our ancestors until vitamin supplements became popular about 100 years ago.
As an aside, 100 years is a long time. If vitamin supplements made a vast difference in health, it should be visible in the Americans of today. Is it?
Given that the body of the average person acquires all of the vitamins that it needs from food, it would follow that vitamin deficiency would differ from person to person, depending on their constitution.
We know about some vitamin deficiencies. Sailors used to get a disease called scurvy from a deficiency of vitamin C. The Limies (British) addressed that by carrying limes on board. People in northern climes get a deficiency of vitamin D in the winter. Our bodies manufacture it from sunshine, and there is not enough.
There are thousands of different manufacturers of vitamin supplements. What differentiates one from another? The first question is quality control. Do the pills contain the advertised quantity of the vitamin or mineral? Are the pills uniform?
This is the same sort of question that has arisen with regard to the Covid vaccines. Different batch lots of the jabs seem to contain quite different quantities of the ingredients listed on the label. Moreover, they frequently appear to contain ingredients that are not listed. The same question applies to dietary supplements of vitamins and minerals, though their quality control appears to be quite superior to that of Pfizer and Moderna’s injectable biological products.
There is a question whether vitamins cure disease. In general vitamins are a preventative rather than a curative. Medicines cure, vitamins prevent. Vitamins and minerals strengthen a person’s immune system, making it more capable of fighting off disease.
Vitamin regimes to strengthen the immune system have a long history. Nobel prize winner Linus Pauling was advocating large doses of Vitamin C 50 years ago. Professor Bruce Hollis has been researching the benefits of additional Vitamin D for three decades.
A number of doctors working independently, without support from, indeed, actively suppressed by the US government, developed vitamin and mineral regimes to strengthen the body to resist Covid. These were used to great effect in India, Egypt and other countries in which the big pharmaceutical companies did not have as much influence on the measures taken to control Covid.
Since the chemical composition of any given vitamin must be the same regardless of the manufacturer, what distinguishes one manufacturer from another?
Quality control – the consistency and purity of the product – should be a major criterion. Fortunately, however, throughout the developed world, certainly including Europe and the United States, all manufacturers adhere to certain standards established by the International Standards Organization and other such bodies. The other factors for deciding on a provider should be ones of practicality: dosage, price, distribution, and the format and taste of the pills.
Determining your individual needs
Every person has different needs – or no need it all – when it comes to dietary supplements. The standard advice has always been to ask your doctor. The Covid episode has shown that doctors are all too often captives of the government, big pharma, hospitals and others in the medical establishment. Nonetheless, they are certainly the ones who will know best which tests you should take to find out what your needs are. Obvious ones would include:
· Anemia, to see if iron supplements might be advisable
· Bone density, to see if calcium supplements make sense
· Pregnancy, to see if the standard pregnancy vitamins would be advisable
· Lack of exposure to sunshine, which would indicate vitamin D.
I put a lot of faith in well-known doctors on the Internet, people who are not controlled by the establishment and are frequently at odds with them. These include Dr. Peter McCullough with regard to cardiac issues, Dr. Robert Malone with regard to vaccines, Dr. Andrew Wakefield also with regard to vaccines, the above-mentioned Bruce Hollis when it comes to vitamin D, and the Frontline Critical Care Consortium FLCCC when it comes to Covid. These people have no financial stake in my decision and are not obviously controlled by government or big business.
Doctors are poor at predicting drug interactions. The effect of excessive dosage has been studied when it comes to the most common vitamins and minerals such as vitamin A, vitamin C, vitamin D, iron and the like. Other vitamins and minerals may not have been subjected to rigorous analysis.
Here is a list of the ingredients in the premium priced supplements offered by one multilevel marketing company. It is certain that no consumer will be able to understand the need for all of these, much less be able to assess appropriate dosages. It is highly unlikely that any doctor could do so either. The customer has to simply trust that the recommended daily allowance (RDA) established by government bodies it is not excessive – won’t poison them. On the other hand, it is equally certain that most of them are not necessary.
Given that it would be impossible for a consumer to understand the need for many of the items on this list, the best bet for the super cautious would be to decide based on price to buy multivitamin and mineral supplements that contain most of them.
Researching the supplements
The Internet is without a doubt the best place to research a decision. Depending on your scientific and medical background and the amount of time you have to spend, you can find just about everything you need to know on the Internet.
A vitamin seller who supports a number of different brands will be able to compare the advantages and disadvantages of one brand over another. Since he is in the business of selling vitamins, he will of course be biased toward selling you something rather than telling you you don’t need it.
The multilevel marketing organization represents only a single source of vitamins. They obviously have a bias in favor of their own solution. More than that, they have a secondary agenda, which is to convert you into a true believer, recruit you to sell the product and make upstream profits from your sales and your ability to recruit other people beneath you.
Selecting a supplier
The consumer will decide where to buy dietary supplements based on price, convenience, trust and informational support. The obvious choices would be a drugstore, a vitamin store, an online vitamin seller, and a multilevel marketing organization. This is my assessment of the alternatives:
Last week I ran out of zinc and melatonin. I made a special side trip to the vitamin seller in the Kids World at Darnitsa whom Eddie and I had visited a couple of months ago. I liked his broad knowledge of his products in the fact that he seemed to be steering us to the least pricey alternatives among the brands he carried. I spent $15 with him. The chances are that I could have got the same stuff for a dollar or two less over the Internet. I consider the conversation to be worth that extra dollar.
That’s the news from Lake WeBeGone, where the strong man has snuck away for an hour on Christmas day to write this, the kids are watching movies, drawing and doing other stuff, and tomorrow Zoriana will go back to nursery school leaving the good-looking woman and me a little time to ourselves.
Since I used to sell vitamins for a living, I know a fair bit about them. I always considered multi-level marketing to be a joke. You get essentially the same stuff for twice the price when you buy from a Multi-level marketer. That's how it works.
There is a wholesale price which is passed along to a distributor who then sells to a salesperson who then sells to friends who usually sell to their friends. There is a markup in each transaction. They package the products so that they cannot be compared, and this is intentional, and everybody makes claims about the products.
I found that the lowest quality stuff was always in the drug stores. They carry the generic products, no frills, and they usually buy the cheapest ingredients. In time, I moved away from the basic supplements and started using Chinese herbs from a source that I knew was honest and could be trusted. I went to China with that company and visited the fields and factories which manufactured the products because in China there are lots of counterfeits. Big surprise there.
My book documents much of the knowledge that I gained when I was in China. I also used to visit farms, fields, ranches, and vitamin manufacturers to check out the facilities and to determine the origin of primary sources. When I first when to China, I tried to get the company to invest in Vitamin E because it was so pricey in the US and in China it could be manufactured cheaper, but I couldn't get them to move outside of their comfort zone, Now, almost all source materials are manufactured in China. There is one source of Vitamin C in the world, for example, outside of China, and that company is located in Scotland and it is considerably more expensive, so I used to special order from them. I did the same with protein powder. I sourced it from different manufacturers to get a better price, and we used to package it and sell it for a quarter of the retail price because I found a good quality source. If you buy the fancy package, you get a fancy price. I had my own supplements manufactured for me in a factory which I visited to discuss the sourcing of the products. My prices were always way cheaper than the retail price and at least half of the multi-level marketing price.
You know, in Ukraine, they haven't been exposed to all the scams that I was exposed to years ago in California. It seems that every possible scam came there. Breatharianism, for example. I was taking a Qi Gong class one year and in the next room there was a guy teaching the hippies how to be a breatharian. There was some sort of schedule, like eating yellow veggies, then going to something else, and eventually you stop eating. I thought it was very funny, and people paid a lot of money to attend these classes with the idea that they could learn to stop eating. Well, one night, somebody followed the teacher to a 7-Eleven where he bought a pork pie sandwich. He got exposed and vanished right afterwards.
I wonder if you remember EST. They were transformative, according to the people who went to them. My sister paid $700 for two weekend seminars, and she raved about it and how it changed her life. But she made the mistake of telling me about the first session when they lock the door and tell people that they can't leave, not even to pee. Then, the instructor told them they were all assholes for taking the seminar. When my sister tried to convince me to do this, I told her. You are an asshole if you pay somebody $700 to call you an asshole. I can get somebody to do it for free.
In Ukraine, they were suckers for The Secret. Do you remember that? Well, at Toastmasters there were several people early on who were sharing the DVD and raving about it. The problem is that I knew three of the instructors and it was a fucking scam. One guy bragged to me about it, telling me he made $500,000 in six months doing seminars. You know The Secret, don't you? You get suckers to pay you big money to tell them that there is no secret. The power of attraction is supposed to transform your life, but it does nothing. And if they really had this Secret, don't you think it is irresponsible of them not to share it with the world?
I also went a few times to mediums who voiced some Egyptian God who told people the truth about life. I also went to see the Indian gurus who sat on a pillow and dispensed the truth to all those around him, like little children who unable to make a good decision. Most of the questions that they had were weak, spineless, and silly. I thought it just needed common sense.
I class multi-level marketing of supplements in the same category. It's a high priced scam. There is nothing better about them than you can get in a health food store. I sold these supplements for thirty years and I was determined to have the best quality of everything, but eventually I turned to Chinese Medicine because it works. I have seen it work. I have made it work. On Graham's advice, I took zinc, quercitin, and Vitamin D during the Covid scam, and I didn't get Covid but I doubt that the pills made much difference. The one thing that they never talk about is that healthy people don't get sick. Some people have a strong immune system and they don't get sick. We forget that even during the worst epidemic in human history, the Black Plague, about half the people of Europe did not die. I can tell you that they didn't get mRNA vaccinations. I think the only counter measure that they had was social distancing and their own innate immune system.
>If vitamin supplements made a vast difference in health, it should be visible in the Americans of today. Is it?
In America I believe the problem is diet. Too much soda, processed high carb foods, chemical preservatives etc. You can’t fix a bad diet with vitamins so its hard to know how well vitamins work by just looking at the health of Americans.