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Since I used to sell vitamins for a living, I know a fair bit about them. I always considered multi-level marketing to be a joke. You get essentially the same stuff for twice the price when you buy from a Multi-level marketer. That's how it works.

There is a wholesale price which is passed along to a distributor who then sells to a salesperson who then sells to friends who usually sell to their friends. There is a markup in each transaction. They package the products so that they cannot be compared, and this is intentional, and everybody makes claims about the products.

I found that the lowest quality stuff was always in the drug stores. They carry the generic products, no frills, and they usually buy the cheapest ingredients. In time, I moved away from the basic supplements and started using Chinese herbs from a source that I knew was honest and could be trusted. I went to China with that company and visited the fields and factories which manufactured the products because in China there are lots of counterfeits. Big surprise there.

My book documents much of the knowledge that I gained when I was in China. I also used to visit farms, fields, ranches, and vitamin manufacturers to check out the facilities and to determine the origin of primary sources. When I first when to China, I tried to get the company to invest in Vitamin E because it was so pricey in the US and in China it could be manufactured cheaper, but I couldn't get them to move outside of their comfort zone, Now, almost all source materials are manufactured in China. There is one source of Vitamin C in the world, for example, outside of China, and that company is located in Scotland and it is considerably more expensive, so I used to special order from them. I did the same with protein powder. I sourced it from different manufacturers to get a better price, and we used to package it and sell it for a quarter of the retail price because I found a good quality source. If you buy the fancy package, you get a fancy price. I had my own supplements manufactured for me in a factory which I visited to discuss the sourcing of the products. My prices were always way cheaper than the retail price and at least half of the multi-level marketing price.

You know, in Ukraine, they haven't been exposed to all the scams that I was exposed to years ago in California. It seems that every possible scam came there. Breatharianism, for example. I was taking a Qi Gong class one year and in the next room there was a guy teaching the hippies how to be a breatharian. There was some sort of schedule, like eating yellow veggies, then going to something else, and eventually you stop eating. I thought it was very funny, and people paid a lot of money to attend these classes with the idea that they could learn to stop eating. Well, one night, somebody followed the teacher to a 7-Eleven where he bought a pork pie sandwich. He got exposed and vanished right afterwards.

I wonder if you remember EST. They were transformative, according to the people who went to them. My sister paid $700 for two weekend seminars, and she raved about it and how it changed her life. But she made the mistake of telling me about the first session when they lock the door and tell people that they can't leave, not even to pee. Then, the instructor told them they were all assholes for taking the seminar. When my sister tried to convince me to do this, I told her. You are an asshole if you pay somebody $700 to call you an asshole. I can get somebody to do it for free.

In Ukraine, they were suckers for The Secret. Do you remember that? Well, at Toastmasters there were several people early on who were sharing the DVD and raving about it. The problem is that I knew three of the instructors and it was a fucking scam. One guy bragged to me about it, telling me he made $500,000 in six months doing seminars. You know The Secret, don't you? You get suckers to pay you big money to tell them that there is no secret. The power of attraction is supposed to transform your life, but it does nothing. And if they really had this Secret, don't you think it is irresponsible of them not to share it with the world?

I also went a few times to mediums who voiced some Egyptian God who told people the truth about life. I also went to see the Indian gurus who sat on a pillow and dispensed the truth to all those around him, like little children who unable to make a good decision. Most of the questions that they had were weak, spineless, and silly. I thought it just needed common sense.

I class multi-level marketing of supplements in the same category. It's a high priced scam. There is nothing better about them than you can get in a health food store. I sold these supplements for thirty years and I was determined to have the best quality of everything, but eventually I turned to Chinese Medicine because it works. I have seen it work. I have made it work. On Graham's advice, I took zinc, quercitin, and Vitamin D during the Covid scam, and I didn't get Covid but I doubt that the pills made much difference. The one thing that they never talk about is that healthy people don't get sick. Some people have a strong immune system and they don't get sick. We forget that even during the worst epidemic in human history, the Black Plague, about half the people of Europe did not die. I can tell you that they didn't get mRNA vaccinations. I think the only counter measure that they had was social distancing and their own innate immune system.

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>If vitamin supplements made a vast difference in health, it should be visible in the Americans of today. Is it?

In America I believe the problem is diet. Too much soda, processed high carb foods, chemical preservatives etc. You can’t fix a bad diet with vitamins so its hard to know how well vitamins work by just looking at the health of Americans.

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