I don't remember clearly because I wasn't interested in it around 2014, but didn't the US say that US would protect Ukraine in exchange for transferring Ukraine's nuclear weapons to Russia?
Are those HARM missiles capable of reaching, say, the chemtrail aircraft currently poisoning the planet? I'll take whatever they don't need. Oh, wait, funding the fight against tyranny is for foreign peoples, not Americans citizens who are being scalped and hung out to dry, by having the worlds turmoil blamed on them, and not the criminals in government...
Everything shall be revealed in the Light of Creation, and soon I pray!
Are those HARM missiles capable of reaching, say, the chemtrail aircraft currently poisoning the planet? I'll take whatever they don't need. Oh, wait, funding the fight against tyranny is for foreign peoples, not Americans citizens who are being scalped and hung out to dry, by having the worlds turmoil blamed on them, and not the criminals in government...
Everything shall be revealed in the Light of Creation, and soon I pray!
No it is not! Russia took over Transnistria in Moldova in the 90s(?). South Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008. Crimea, LPR and DPR in 2014. Now they want Ukraine.
They are the most expansive country on earth. Runners up? China took over Tibet, long ago now, and Saddam's Iraq tried to take over Kuwait.
"Corrupt, expansive, and both contemptuous and envious of the west."
and I didn't take particular note of he 'expansive' word in there.
This is what you're exclusively stressing, I think?
Well in that context perhaps it would be fitting to point out that the USA is effecting an expansion of its powers at all times in every place that it can. It is unparalleled, surely?
It has just in the last few months conquered Europe and the UK. Destroying their economies and industries, robbing them of billions and stripping away all sovereignty. Don't you think so?
And we can see Kiev Ukraine as an example of expansionism, too.
For the nationalists seek to make a 'pure' and 'independent' Ukraine. Create this new entity.
Okay. They have the makings of it. Not content with those 'makings' they seek to expand their influence, their diktat, throughout the whole land. That is precisely what is happening right now.
In extremis with the lives of their people being taken on a daily basis they demand not some relief, some pause, some mitigation but have the gall to demand the 'return' of Crimea!
Expansion the very heart and soul of what they're after.
For it is clear that this 'pure and independent' Ukraine never 'had' Crimea.
They don't care. They insist.
There is a fundamental shortcoming. It is pathalogical. They cannot see any other way to operate except by decree, by force, by coercion.
I don't know why this is. Is it a Slavic thing, something in the genes? Is it a nurtured thing, an accident of the society like the peculiarities of the Japanese bowing perhaps? Or is it a sort of 'racial memory' of that long history of bloody battles in Europe generally and that area in particular?
I'm a bit saddened Graham. I really didn't think you'd base your courses of action, your causes, on slogans. That's my bete noir, people dying for slogans. And in my book 'nations' are typically slogans only.
Soviet Russia we note, is long gone.
As is Nazi Germany. However the slogans are much in favour in some quarters I believe...
Soviet Russia is gone. Russia remains. Same as it was in the time of the tsars, under the commissars, and now under Putin. Corrupt, expansive, and both contemptuous and envious of the west.
All the talking heads and armchair theorists/observers/analysts are keen on a Ukrainian 'victory' at all costs aren't they? I think that's fair comment? The whole western world. Naturally govt. propaganda and naturally the lickspittle media but also the 'independent thinkers' etc?
So millions of people suffer all over Europe.
Thousands and thousand die in Ukraine.
Generations to come have their lives compromised.
And for what, exactly? Where is the profit that outweighs this?
We live our lives in freedom. Same thing our ancestors fought for in 1776.
Lost lives are a tragedy, initiated as all can see by Putin, not us. It seems that thousands of soldiers may die that millions of us may live free. Same arithmetic as World War II.
With regard to future generations, freedom brought meaningful lives to those who survived on both the Axis and Allied sides in WWII. Except for Soviet Russia and its satellites. I have known hundreds of people who lived under that regime. They are the strongest voices in favor of fighting Russia right now.
Without the psyop that tells the world who is good and who is bad, I imagine that the average farmer in Ukraine gives a rats rump what a farmer is Russia is doing, and vice versa. I'd go further to say that common folk everywhere simply want to live their lives in complete liberty, and would, but for the parasites in government who kowtow to the greedy acquisition minded wealthy elite.
And you predicate the justification for this spurious gain of freedom on what restraints? There were none. There are today none. ALL the invasion today is Kiev Ukraine on Donbass Ukraine land. Kiev and USA push and push until the Allies will have no choice - no choice - but to totally subdue Kiev. And THAT you will have brought upon yourselves.
And your problem, no sympathy with you, take that road if you wish.
BUT: where is the freedom for your people to take an alternative road?
You spew nonsense about freedoms whilst taking freedoms from all and sundry in all directions.
Yes. Today the takers of freedoms use 'nuspeak', Orwellian nuspeak. Where black is white and white is black.
I don't remember clearly because I wasn't interested in it around 2014, but didn't the US say that US would protect Ukraine in exchange for transferring Ukraine's nuclear weapons to Russia?
Much earlier, shortly after the collapse of the Soviet Union.
Are those HARM missiles capable of reaching, say, the chemtrail aircraft currently poisoning the planet? I'll take whatever they don't need. Oh, wait, funding the fight against tyranny is for foreign peoples, not Americans citizens who are being scalped and hung out to dry, by having the worlds turmoil blamed on them, and not the criminals in government...
Everything shall be revealed in the Light of Creation, and soon I pray!
Are those HARM missiles capable of reaching, say, the chemtrail aircraft currently poisoning the planet? I'll take whatever they don't need. Oh, wait, funding the fight against tyranny is for foreign peoples, not Americans citizens who are being scalped and hung out to dry, by having the worlds turmoil blamed on them, and not the criminals in government...
Everything shall be revealed in the Light of Creation, and soon I pray!
Well I don't know, Graham but I think that last sentence could and does apply to many places. It's a bit of a norm, actually.
No it is not! Russia took over Transnistria in Moldova in the 90s(?). South Ossetia and Abkhazia in 2008. Crimea, LPR and DPR in 2014. Now they want Ukraine.
They are the most expansive country on earth. Runners up? China took over Tibet, long ago now, and Saddam's Iraq tried to take over Kuwait.
Russia is criminal, in a class by itself.
The 'last sentence' to which I was referring was:
"Corrupt, expansive, and both contemptuous and envious of the west."
and I didn't take particular note of he 'expansive' word in there.
This is what you're exclusively stressing, I think?
Well in that context perhaps it would be fitting to point out that the USA is effecting an expansion of its powers at all times in every place that it can. It is unparalleled, surely?
It has just in the last few months conquered Europe and the UK. Destroying their economies and industries, robbing them of billions and stripping away all sovereignty. Don't you think so?
And we can see Kiev Ukraine as an example of expansionism, too.
For the nationalists seek to make a 'pure' and 'independent' Ukraine. Create this new entity.
Okay. They have the makings of it. Not content with those 'makings' they seek to expand their influence, their diktat, throughout the whole land. That is precisely what is happening right now.
In extremis with the lives of their people being taken on a daily basis they demand not some relief, some pause, some mitigation but have the gall to demand the 'return' of Crimea!
Expansion the very heart and soul of what they're after.
For it is clear that this 'pure and independent' Ukraine never 'had' Crimea.
They don't care. They insist.
There is a fundamental shortcoming. It is pathalogical. They cannot see any other way to operate except by decree, by force, by coercion.
I don't know why this is. Is it a Slavic thing, something in the genes? Is it a nurtured thing, an accident of the society like the peculiarities of the Japanese bowing perhaps? Or is it a sort of 'racial memory' of that long history of bloody battles in Europe generally and that area in particular?
I don't know. But it is very clear.
I'm a bit saddened Graham. I really didn't think you'd base your courses of action, your causes, on slogans. That's my bete noir, people dying for slogans. And in my book 'nations' are typically slogans only.
Soviet Russia we note, is long gone.
As is Nazi Germany. However the slogans are much in favour in some quarters I believe...
Soviet Russia is gone. Russia remains. Same as it was in the time of the tsars, under the commissars, and now under Putin. Corrupt, expansive, and both contemptuous and envious of the west.
All the talking heads and armchair theorists/observers/analysts are keen on a Ukrainian 'victory' at all costs aren't they? I think that's fair comment? The whole western world. Naturally govt. propaganda and naturally the lickspittle media but also the 'independent thinkers' etc?
So millions of people suffer all over Europe.
Thousands and thousand die in Ukraine.
Generations to come have their lives compromised.
And for what, exactly? Where is the profit that outweighs this?
We live our lives in freedom. Same thing our ancestors fought for in 1776.
Lost lives are a tragedy, initiated as all can see by Putin, not us. It seems that thousands of soldiers may die that millions of us may live free. Same arithmetic as World War II.
With regard to future generations, freedom brought meaningful lives to those who survived on both the Axis and Allied sides in WWII. Except for Soviet Russia and its satellites. I have known hundreds of people who lived under that regime. They are the strongest voices in favor of fighting Russia right now.
Without the psyop that tells the world who is good and who is bad, I imagine that the average farmer in Ukraine gives a rats rump what a farmer is Russia is doing, and vice versa. I'd go further to say that common folk everywhere simply want to live their lives in complete liberty, and would, but for the parasites in government who kowtow to the greedy acquisition minded wealthy elite.
Profit is freedom, freedom of speech, freedom of action. Even if we are somewhat poor materially (economically), we can bear it.
I am not quite sure what you're talking about. Addressing my question perhaps? 'Where is the profit that outweighs this?" Are you addressing that?
You have taken ALL freedoms from over 100,000 souls. You have taken the freedom of bodily wholeness from possible 300,000.
You have spend eight years taking these same freedoms from Donetsk and Luhansk residents.
You extend these freedoms to your people at this moment:
ukrainian soldiers being kicked into manning positions
https://t.me/voenkorKotenok/44585
And you predicate the justification for this spurious gain of freedom on what restraints? There were none. There are today none. ALL the invasion today is Kiev Ukraine on Donbass Ukraine land. Kiev and USA push and push until the Allies will have no choice - no choice - but to totally subdue Kiev. And THAT you will have brought upon yourselves.
And your problem, no sympathy with you, take that road if you wish.
BUT: where is the freedom for your people to take an alternative road?
You spew nonsense about freedoms whilst taking freedoms from all and sundry in all directions.
Yes. Today the takers of freedoms use 'nuspeak', Orwellian nuspeak. Where black is white and white is black.
You belong firmly in that camp.