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Thomas Pierce's avatar

It's infuriating that these American agencies come to another country with their stupid idiotic DEI values and try to impose them on other societies. Where do they get the gall? This is what I hate about Biden or whoever is pulling his strings. The world is turning against these attempts to engineer society by people who are brainless and brain dead. Nobody wants it. We can already see the rebellion against the social engineers who think that they are smarter and better than we are, smarter and better than centuries of cultural evolution. It disgusts me that they look down their noses at the peasants, pawns, and peons and want to tell us what to do.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

DEI is part of the CCP's unrestricted warfare against the US and the West in general, it's the advice that Sun Tzu gave: "if your opponent is united, divide him."

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Thomas Pierce's avatar

It's basically Marxism wearing the disguise of compassion for victims of a cruel world. Both China and Russia are trying every possible way right now to break the US, and the worst thing about it is the poison within US society, the stupid college kids who chant from the River to the Sea, Death to America, and the like. It's hard for me to imagine how dumb these kids are. This is the rot from within which will ultimately destroy us. They dumbed down education in the US and this is the result, Lemmings charging for a cliff. It's frightening to imagine these fools are the future leaders of the US.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

I’m not loyal to the U.S. or care much if it’s broken. Most of you simps for Zelensky sound like old Cold Warriors from Ronnie Reagan’s era (Putin wants to take over the world). Utter hysterical rubbish. I am an American. Russia is not my enemy. If I were an expat married to a Ukrainian woman with kids there maybe I’d feel differently but I’m not. I do not want a war with Russia over Crimea or Donbas and consider my actual enemies to be my own ruling elites not foreign boogeymen. The U.S. military industrial complex, Deep States, along with the absolute treason of European leaders and elites towards their own native peoples concerns me more than Putin or Xi. Ukraine nor Taiwan are worth one white life or single dollar of my taxes when our borders are porous and Americans are going without health care and sleeping on the streets of our cities and towns.

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Kit's avatar

It is possible for Putin to be a dangerous aggressor and the US to be run by a corrupt deep State. Both things can be true at the same time.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

He’s not an aggressor unlike The United States and its vassals with its bases and troops in every continent and endless wars and meddling around the world. Americans whining about Russia and ‘Putin’s aggression’ while supporting the bloated U.S. military and its constant wars are supreme hypocrites.

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Kit's avatar

The fact that Americans are hypocrites doesn't alter the fact that Putin is a highly dangerous and aggressive dictator who has a long track record of invading his neighbours.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

DEI existed several decades in the making long before China eclipsed the United States economically. Who can we blame for that? Why our same political and business elites who made trillions off outsourcing production and millions of American manufacturing jobs to China over the past 40 years and the same people now whipping up war fever (we gotta fight em’ over Taiwan).

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

That’s what vassals and satellites have to do. Follow their masters policies.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

It's nice to see that some people are finally catching on to Putin and his mentor, Dugin. Iv'e been talking about this since March 1, 2022 when I wrote this - https://streamfortyseven.substack.com/p/heres-a-little-article-by-aleksandr ...

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Thomas Pierce's avatar

Another comment on the comments below. I talk to Ukrainians every single day, we have them in our flat, I feed the refugees, the orphans who were forced to leave Ukraine because of this insane war. None of them want stupid advice from people who know nothing and have half a brain. There is no negotiated peace with Putin. He will take all he can get at the negotiation table, and then plan to take more five minutes after his signature is on the documents. Ask Ukrainians what they want. Zelinsky can never sign a deal with Putin because the entire country opposes any deal.

I will quote my daughter who is 17. She would rather die in a nuclear war than live in a world with a man like Putin. Never give an inch.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

I’d rather by helping Americans and not Ukrainian oligarchs. I’m sorry for civilians on both sides (were you crying when Russians were being killed in Donbas for years prior to this war?) but billions sent to one of the worst and most corrupt regimes in Europe? Nope.

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Thomas Pierce's avatar

Sorry, there is no dislike button for this post. I am afraid that you are mistaken about almost everything in this comment. First, the greatest and most corrupt regime on the planet is Russia with Putin being the biggest kleptocrat of all. Maybe t he CCP is worse, but there is no question of corruption in Ukraine. However, in nine years of living there, I had no direct involvement in any corruption. I never once paid a bribe.

When you express your sympathy for the Russians who died in Donbas, I ask one question. What were they doing there? They are invaders fighting for a foreign power in another country. I have zero sympathy for those jerks.

No question there is corruption in Ukraine, but it appears to me that there has been far less corruption in this war than in previous Ukrainian incidents. The Ukrainian populace rose up against the most corrupt of all Ukrainian leaders, Victor Yanukovich, to drive him out of office twice, once during the Orange Revolution and once during the Revolution of Dignity (AKA Euromaidan). The point of that rebellion is that the Ukrainian people were fed up with corruption and fought against it. That is exactly what Ukraine is doing now, a people who are sick of corruption fighting the most corrupt regime on the planet, trying to preserve their nationality, democracy, and human rights.

No country is perfect. Ukraine is a work in progress.

As to spending money helping America, consider that most of the weapons sent to Ukraine were in mothballs, weapon systems that were obsolete for US forces. Is the US charging Ukraine full price for weapons that would otherwise rust in storage someplace? Sure, the missiles and bombs are new, but the systems themselves, like the F-16's are being phased out. What do you suppose the actual amount of money spend helping Ukraine is? I wonder about Pentagon accounting.

Do you honestly think that the US would spend this money on Americans? Please, don't be naïve. It's just some digits added to the national debt that will never be repaid. On the other hand, what would it cost the US to have Germany occupied by Russia? What would be the price of a Russian border on the Rhine river? Your vision, like most Americans, is short-sighted. It seems to me when I was living in Ukraine that only 7% of Americans actually had an international passport. 40% of Americans have never left their own state. The ignorance of Americans is legendary. They know nothing of the rest of the world. As a consequence, they know nothing and should keep their mouths shut because their opinions are worthless.

Watch a YouTube video of Americans being asked to identify one country in the world. They can't even locate the US on a world map.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

Russians have always lived in Donbas. It’s funny how you simps for Kiev condemn the Soviets yet defend the current regime’s claims to Soviet era borders, including Crkmea gifted to the Ukrainian SSR in 1954 by Khrushchev. Goalposts can always be moved when benefiting ‘our side.’

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Thomas Pierce's avatar

Let the Russians give back the Kuban. It was exchanged for Crimea, but most dopes with opinions don't know that.

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Kit's avatar

I'd rather be helping brave Ukrainians and not fat, ignorant, decadent Americans. However corrupt the Ukrainian government might be, the Ukrainian people have shown that they use the surplus weapons given to them very effectively. Weapons that were in warehouses and just going to be junked anyway.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

But the war will be over soon as it is coming to a close. You’ll be calling for nuking Moscow when it doesn’t end as you had hoped.

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Kit's avatar

You seem very invested in the idea of Russian victory. Odd, especially seeing as how imminent Russian victory keeps being indefinitely deferred. That victory that is 'just about to happen' and has been 'just about to happen' for more than two years now. And yet Russia is still bogged down in a bloody quagmire it just can't get out of. Some victory......

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

It is happening. Other than a few drone attacks Ukraine is losing the war badly as desperately as you’d like to put a more positive and brave face on the situation.

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Kit's avatar

If by 'losing the war badly' you mean that Ukraine has once again broken the latest attempted Russian offensive and inflicted massive casualties, then I hope that Ukraine continues to 'lose' so badly.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

I have no problems with Russia. Vladimir Putin isn’t destroying my country with mass immigration. Joe Biden definitely is doing so. A distant Russo-Ukrainian border issue isn’t worth billions of tax dollars going to organized Jewish criminal oligarchs in Kiev. If that makes me ‘emotionally invested in Russian victory’ from your reckless and interventionist perspective, so be it.

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Kit's avatar

You appear incapable of making any sort of reasoned argument. The Russian invasion of Ukrainian has nothing to do with Joe Biden's immigration policies. The two are not linked. It's clear that you're one of those people who decides what they believe based on pure political tribalism. If Trump were in power and giving Ukraine assistance I guarantee that you would be cheering Ukraine on to the rafters. Go ahead and deny that all you want. We know it's true.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

So you’re just another neocon posing as a supporter of ‘nationalism.’ With good ‘conservative patriots’ like yourself the American people sure as hell don’t need any enemies.

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Kit's avatar

I'm neither a neocon nor an American patriot. Want to try again?

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

You’re definitely a neocon with a shtetl bred hatred of Russia.

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Kit's avatar

You call me a 'kook' and then resort to misplaced antisemitic slurs. Now that really is funny. You are greatly amusing me at this point.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

A kook regardless. Our interests aren’t synonymous. Ukraine isn’t worth one (white) western life.

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Kit's avatar

To be called a 'kook' by you is richly ironic. And you appear to be overlooking the fact that the Ukrainians are the ones doing all the fighting. No precious '(white) western life' required. Did you miss that detail? It's quite an important detail......

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Kit's avatar

I am curious as to why Kuwaitis are commiting so many crimes in Denmark. That is perplexing.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

Essentially a PC/neutered police force, where Wahhabi Muslims are allowed to run free instead of being deported. Marine LePen wants to get rid of them in France - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nQzJWy_Jstg

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Kit's avatar

A people with more oil and money than they know what to do with and they still end up commiting crimes.

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Kit's avatar

'they did require that contractors hire equal number of male and female engineers. ' This shit is why I ended up cheering on the Taleban. George Floyd murals painted in Kabul streets. Gay pride flags at the US embassy and lessons on feminism in Kabul university. It's toxic, civilisational self hatred. I hope that the Ukrainians are able to keep this cultural infection out of their country.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Quite agree with Zubrin's "The Case for Nukes,". Energy is a key to prosperity and nuclear power creates that. We are still in early days of that power and need more R&D pushing toward better reactors. That R&D seems stymied by various fears related to weapons.

On immigration, limitations make a lot of sense in terms of avoiding cultural shifts that tend to separate us along tribal lines. That is certain to create resentment that builds everywhere because we hate change.

Pity there seems to be no way for Putin to extract Russia easily. The new added financial sanctions are already having an effect. I just hope that escalation of combat can be contained.

So odd to see folk post here that Russia might prevail. They can't as long as the west spins up production. War is always logistics and the West is vastly more capable. At issue is the will to produce. Trump I suspect will be inclined to force an end by ordering a production increase. If Russia can produce 250k shells/month, Trump will produce 500k; that threat ought to convince Russia but who knows?

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streamfortyseven's avatar

My bet is that drones, not shells, will win this war.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

Sanctions have greatly boosted the Russian economy while hurting Germany in particular. Keep up the good work globalists/neocons.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

Do you plan to emigrate when/if Ukraine is defeated?

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Graham Seibert's avatar

What is defeat? Putin's maximum objective at this point is to hold onto the four oblasts he has claimed. Most doubt he will be able to do that. If it happened we would stay at least until Eddie finishes school. That said, I have thought about where to go.

https://grahamseibert.substack.com/p/they-manage-our-diseases-cures-are?utm_source=publication-search

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

Of course he will hold on to those. Ukraine is bring soundly defeated. All the triumphant war talk about beating Putin and neocon regime change Russia has grown silent. Quiet desperation seems to grip The West as the war goes sour for Ukraine. I’d urge a negotiated settlement so there may be some chance of survival for a Ukrainian state which will be neutral and outside NATO and territorially smaller.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

I see it differently. Col. McGregor, Scott Ritter, Gonzalo Lira et al have been predicting imminent doom for two and a half years and it hasn't happened.

I hope to hell we are not engulfed by the EU or NATO. All we need is to be left alone, and those bureaucrats are always meddling.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

Whether Ukrainians like it or not or whether you donor not, their fate is intertwined with that of Russia. Ukraine isn’t ‘western’ and the degenerate trash running The West don’t love Ukrainians or care about their welfare anymore than they do Russians. The Kristols, Nulands, and Lindsay Graham’s only see Ukrainians as pawns in their little game with Russia. Geopolitics like demography is always destiny. As for the outcome of the war there is no doubt that Russia made several mistakes but you cannot really believe that things are going well for Ukraine or that there will not eventually be a negotiated settlement as the probable outcome of this sad fratricidal conflict.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

You've had your say.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

"Russia made several mistakes" - lol. The word is "pizdets" - a total clusterf*ck. The only thing which allows Russia to keep what it had before the war started is the defensive lines put in by General Surovikin, one of Putin's most competent generals (along with Prigozhin, Utkin, and Popov), two of which Putin sacked and put in jail, two of whom Putin blew out of the sky, in favor of retaining Gerasimov, the incompetent clown in charge of the attempt to seize Kyiv (in three days! - lol) by running a tank column down a single lane road, with deep, tank-stalling mud on either side, in the middle of mud season. That tank column got shot to pieces by partisans firing Javelins, aided by suicidal Russian tank design, which put the tank rounds right under the crew in the turret. A single hand grenade down the hatch turns said tank into a fireworks display... They don't call the TV the "idiot box" for nothing. If, Mr McNallen, you're not up to reading, you can look at this - https://streamfortyseven.substack.com/p/at-long-last-four-years-after-i-started

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streamfortyseven's avatar

Dude, you've swallowed the Russian propaganda line hook, line, and sinker. Again, look at this map and the changes over the last two years - https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-15-2024 Only in your - and Putin's - fantasyland is Ukraine being "soundly defeated". If you want to get a real view of what is happening in land warfare in Ukraine, you look at the map, not listen to braying jackasses like Tucker Carlson.

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Thomas Pierce's avatar

There is no negotiating with Putin. He takes what you give him today and starts to take another bite tomorrow. There is no treaty that Putin wouldn't be happy to break.

See my comments above: Putin's stated goal is Lisbon, but I have heard lately that he's planning on going all the way to Lisbon.

Soundly defeated? Hmmm! What Russian propaganda rag are you reading? The only question is when Russia will collapse. The Ukrainians are going after his oil production, and when they cut that off, Putin will have nothing to fund his vicious wars.

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Kit's avatar

For a 'soundly defeated' nation, Ukraine is doing a remarkably effective job of stopping the Russians dead in their tracks.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

Except they aren’t but the Zelenskyites are retreating not advancing.

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Kit's avatar

No. The Ukraininans are pretty effectively blocking the attempted Russian offensive. I look forward to hearing you explaining how Russia is 'just about' to win, next year. And the year after that and the year after that.......

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Things were dicey in March 2022. It was like living in the 1812 overture, with artillery to the east of us (Brovary, Skybin) and west of us (Bucha, Irpin). The Russians left Kyiv and have not been back. They don't even rocket us much any more. If they were on the verge of winning, I think we would notice it.

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Thomas Pierce's avatar

Putin's ultimate goal is the Rhine river. In fact, the other day I read that his plans include taking Lisbon. Most people are in denial and want to placate Putin, thinking that they should just accede to his demands because he's got nukes. Right, bend down and kiss Putin's ass, the same way they placated Hitler. That's what the placaters would do.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

Except that Putin, after 2 and 1/2 years, and 500,000 troops, has retained very little more than Luhansk, part of Donetsk, and parts of Kherson and Zaporizhzhia Oblasts, pretty close to what he started out with at the beginning. He should retire to Gelendzhik and start a marijuana farm, it will be a lot better than the sh*t he's smoking now...

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Thomas Pierce's avatar

The only real territory that Putin got was by the treasonous actions of one general in the south, who got paid by Russia not to protect the land bridge from Crimea. Aside from that, he's got nothing, except bluster and threats. How many red lines has the west crossed? Putin is a coward and he will not commit suicide so there will be no nuclear war. Putin would be target number 1 and he knows it.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

And The current Ukrainian state will never regain those territories let alone Crimea even with billions American tax dollars and leopard tanks. Time to accept reality.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

Go look at those maps again, dude. It's time for *you* to accept reality. Eventually Putin runs out of troops willing to be slaughtered, the logistics to support them, and the support of his elites/generals (like Prigozhin). Then, of course, there's China, who has already redrawn the maps of the "Russian" Far East to put those territories back in China, as it was pre-1860. And that's where the oil and natural gas are, the Chinese want them and don't want to pay for them. And Russia is pissing away its army in Ukraine and China is "supporting" Russia, until they figure it's time to make their move - and at that point, Russia gets to make a choice. It won't be Ukraine or Crimea. And as soon as that happens, the Russian presence in Ukraine and Crimea evaporates. Today's Russian Army is not the Soviet Army of the 1970s, which repelled an invasion by the Chinese Army at and around Irkutsk.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

No, ‘dude,’ you look at those maps and the crumbling regime in Kiev reduced to begging for money and forcibly conscripting women and old men. Just like the Volkssturm in Germany circa autumn 1944. Accept the defeat of the maidan state as inevitable.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

Aha, a Russian/Sovok troll... Graham should use the Ban Hammer of Rejection on you...

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

What absolute rubbish.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

Look at this map, and the changes to it for the last two years: https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-june-15-2024 Tell me how Ukraine is losing and Putin is winning, that should be interesting.

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HardeeHo's avatar

Thanks. Puts things in perspective. Sad so many must die to accomplish so little.

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Kristoffer O’Shaugnessy's avatar

I don’t see the Kiev Regime winning anything let alone regaining lost territory and losing tens of thousands of personnel a month.

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streamfortyseven's avatar

Aha, a Russian/Sovok troll... Graham should use the Ban Hammer of Rejection on you...

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Stream, this is the liveliest comment stream we've had in months. You've had a forum to (re)make a number of great points. Why spoil it?

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streamfortyseven's avatar

good point - and for a while it's a good mental exercise, but after a while it gets tiresome, especially when alternating with going outside in 95F heat and working on battery cables and suchlike.

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Graham Seibert's avatar

Treasure the opportunity to do a man's work. It's damn near all we have left.

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